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Monday, October 22, 2012
Protect the voice of the working class, vote no on Prop 32!
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10 comments:
You are flat out wrong on this one Richard
"Henchman Of Justice" says,
Hmmm, if the Prop is only about making it illegal for unions (ALL or just public unions???) to extort money from it's members for political purposes, then it seems unions would attempt extortion through other methods, usually claiming for a different purpose. Also, to think that moonshiner (sarcasm) accepted extorted funds to win the gubernotorial race, yikes!
In fact, what prohibits any union member from being able bodied and capable to negotiate their own wages/pay? It too seems that union workers would get better pay if the "middle people" are cut lose.
In fact, business would seem to favor no "middle men". So, could it be that the union higher-uppers and business higher-uppers are colluding to keep the union worker down lower.
Private Sector Unions versus public sector unions is a good conversational piece. - HOJ
11:22am- And your argument?
As a Prop 32 opponent did in the Times- Standard this morning, they usually make a case for supporting it:
http://www.times-standard.com/letters/ci_21842429/proposition-32-silencer
So unions would have next to no money if it wasn't taken from member's paychecks? I'd say that means most union members would prefer not to donate if they were given a real choice.
I'll vote for member's choice and vote Yes on 32 in.
Fred: technically union workers don't even have to pay union dues. They have a chance at meetings to voice their opinion on not participating as a PAC. That was the case at my local. It is not like the workers don't have a voice. Please keep the playing field even and vote no on 32.
Yes, they supposedly do, but they seem to be intimidated somehow from doing so. Otherwise, why would the unions be so worried about this?
Probably because in Wisconsin, after Scott Walker's reforms were put in place, union membership tanked when union members were given the choice. Or so I've heard.
I'm sorry Fred, you just don't get it. Why give corporations (see Citizens United) all the power to influence the vote? I'm with Richard on this one.
It is not wrong to make the union get permission to use dues for political purposes. Sure, one can opt-out but making the union get you to opt in costs unions lots of money. In California, it will just level the playing field in favor of the average person and away from union bosses and their cronies. They wield way too much influence over our elected officials.
One thing that never ceases to amaze me is how far you "progressives" will go to hide your true agenda. Linda Atkins puts out advertisements that try and paint her as a centrist when even a cursory look at her record shows she is even to the left of our B.O.S., which is pretty far left. You never hear any liberal call themselves that. They are alwya a "common sense voice" or a "centrist". Just once tell us what you really intend to do. There will still be the vast majority that will vote based upon your misleading sound bites.
IBEW member and PROUD union member. If PL,LP,etc..would've had unions they would still be a part of this community. Those of you that dont/havent worked manual labor jobs don't understand how much unions help their members. I may disagree with Richards views from time to time but this is serious business here people
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