Larry Glass first implied there was no apology sent. Then he admits there was an e-mail sent to him that he did not consider an apology. Then the e-mail becomes public with the word apology used 4 times. But then, since when does an apology sound this lame: "I am sorry you caused me to do this to you." I am really kind of sick of the whole thing.
One observation I do have about the dialogue concerning this topic: Only Rose is an Rob Arkley apologist that has publicly come to his defense on the blogs. All the others are weak anonymous wieners. The Glass backers have put their real identity's out there.
I like Larry and Rob. I wish they could both have a sit down. Maybe over lunch at the Cookhouse. I could wear a referee shirt and make sure no potatoes are flung. This whole thing has really been blown out of proportion.
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You think a lowly Sand Dweller can solve big issues like this? Please. Go back to shoveling chips, and make sure the sprinkler on top of the big pile is working properly.
It has been blown out of proportion by Glass and by Salzman who is very involved with all of this mess.
Larry was just not bright enough not to be led around by the nose by Salzman.
I think it is really disgusting that this is the "big" issue right now.
This whole thing has really been blown out of proportion.
The proportions are appropriate for a situation that involves a wealthy businessman threatening a public official for the purpose of influencing his vote.
Richard, if you are elected to public office, will you obediently back down and bite your tongue if physically assaulted and threatened? I hope not.
Finally Arkely admitted to the crime. Why didn't the Reporter publish this email "apology" days ago?
Should I legally change my name to mresquan?
Heraldo: your lack of understanding on what the law is or isn’t is truly laughable. You and others like Miller, Gallegos, etc. (what I refer to as true mental midgets) will grab on a word or two, not read up on what you are talking about then shoot at the hip. The so called incident, which you claim is a violation of PC 71 is really not. In order for there to be a violation of that section there must be a clear unambiguous threat to inflict harm to Glass’s person or property.
or as one of our appellate courts so succinctly put it regarding PC 71:
“Nevertheless, the requirement exists because it is inherent in the definition of a true threat, which is affected by the constitutional limitations imposed by the First Amendment. (See Virginia v. Black, supra, 538 U.S. at pp. 358-359 [a "true threat" includes a statement made to communicate a serious expression of intent to commit an unlawful act of violence to an individual or group].) The following quote from Monterroso illustrates this point:
"'"As long as the threat reasonably appears to be a serious expression of intention to inflict bodily harm [citation] and its circumstances are such that there is a reasonable tendency to produce in the victim a fear that the threat will be carried out," a statute proscribing such threats "is not unconstitutional for lacking a requirement of immediacy or imminence."' (People v. Hines [(1997)] 15 Cal.4th [997,] 1061, quoting In re M.S. (1995) 10 Cal.4th 698, 714 ….)" (People v. Monterroso, supra, 34 Cal.4th at p. 776.) “
Now, you can bark, crow or whatever Heraldo, (ahem, I mean Larry or Nichols or Salzman or whomever you are today), but it doesn’t change the reality of the fact that there are certain elements to the crime and that if the village loser (PVG) is stupid enough to try and charge this, he is going to circle the drain over it. You can pretty much be guaranteed that the AG won’t pick it up 1. Because PVG has no actual conflict and 2. The thing is political and not criminal.
Whine all you want, it doesn’t change that reality.
LMAOROTF
Thanks Rose.
What a boob, I am not Rose. Rose is a republican, I am a democrat. However, I will consider that a compliment.
If you have a response to the post, feel free to correct me on the law. Or if you can't because it is evident you don't know what you are talking about, then feel free to call me Rose.
Okay Rose. Thanks for clarifying.
And thank you Rob for admitting you committed a crime.
Again, thanks for the compliment. And also for impliedly admitting that I was correct in my earlier post. You people really are of limited brain power. Next time, feel ok to say that you don’t know squat so can only call me Rose. Frankly, I find it hysterically funny.
Have you listened to Larry's KHUM interview? It is very important to hear that before deciding this is not important.
Besides, what if Robin wins her election and becomes a school board member? If someone were to shove her or threaten her over her work on the school board, the law should intervene. This is both for her protection and for the public.
Same for Larry. Same for Rob, if it were the other way around. Take the names out and the actions remain important. Arkley seems to be making an attempt at personalizing the whole situation. His daughters are adults and the whole Arkleyville thing happened more than a year ago. It's political, and that means it's business.
Who cares what political party this involves? It should be pursued with vigor by the legal authorities!
Lawyerperson, fine, maybe Arkley wil get off on the charges, but meanwhile the truth is out, and the truth -- well, you know what they way. It will, too,
How comforting it must be to Mr. Glass to have the law so clearly parsed by the generous Anonymous 3:06.
I wonder if Anonymous 3:06 would be reassured by the cited appellate decision if he owned a small business and the richest man in town pushed him and threatened to destroy him?
Larry Glass has more balls than all of these effete, anonymous detractors put together and squared.
A few weeks ago how often did we read"Gee,if Arkley was loud how come nobody around heard it,Larry is such a liar?"
Well a few weeks later,how come an "apology" comes out sent to Larry the day after,saying Rob was sorry for getting louder and louder.
What's the next spin going to be?That should be your next poll Richard.
1:25pm-We have no sprinklers on the chip piles. The 990 Cats would run them over.
Heraldo-If I were an elected official who had been carrying anti Arkley stickers at my place of business (which I would not have done) I would have kept a wide distance between Rob and myself.
dar-My wife Robin knows Karate and how to use it.
Rose: maybe not an apologist, but defender. Is that better?
OK. How far reaching is this Glass/Arkley thing? I was playing in the woodbat championships in Willow Creek and a group of players were making fun of Glass and his having to turn in his "Manhood" card. They may have been saying this around me being the token "liberal" present. My wife Robin turned to me jokingly and asked me about this "manhood" card.
I was playing golf in a tournament and was approaching the 18 green at Eureka Muni. A pink ladies ball was off to the left of the fairway. One of our players went and picked it up looking for a lady player in the near vicinity. The ball said "Larry Glass" on it. He told the rest of us what it said and laid it down laughing.
I was at an eating place (shocking huh) and the subject was brought up by a conservative friend (Latino) who was all over Glass for not accepting apology.
Later I was at a business friend of mine and the subject came up between him and his secretary. He thought the apology was appropriate, she thought differently.
I wonder how many other little clicks of Humboldt County people are talking about this? Just wondering. Too much time and energy really.
Heraldo-If I were an elected official who had been carrying anti Arkley stickers at my place of business (which I would not have done) I would have kept a wide distance between Rob and myself.
Larry was not an elected official at the time the Works was carrying the stickers.
But you're saying Larry should be afraid of Arkley for handing out free stickers that expressed popular sentiment?
Maybe you should take a page from Larry who said he ran for office to stand up, not wimp out.
Dear Sand Dweller:
Thank You for enduring the flame war of the Anonymous to make your points. Clearly, there are two opposing sides here. The defenders of RA will rally around his "charity" and his defense of his daughters, as if that gives him some sort of sick note to apologize without addressing the accusations of his alleged victim.
Those who champion the cause of LG will say he is right to be taking the course of action he has set for himself. Those who question the manner in which he has proceeded are denounced as "employees" of the Arkley family, only trolling the blogs to propagate the agenda of a local billionare.
I appreciate the tongue and cheek suggestion that you put on your ref's gear to officiate the two sides. It's too bad that some of your readers find it more gratifying to fling insults around.Just don't serve Cheespuffs at the lunchtime meeting, those little suckers started this entire mess!!!
-boy (not thinking you are a "lowly"sand dweller)
Hey... good news. rail returns to Eureka 3 years before Wolley promised.
Or Wooley... whatever.
I'm sorry, but I didn't see anything there, to suggest that the railroad is returning 3 years early. Though THA is trying to get it working fir a tourist train as soon as we can.
Wow, it must be tough growing up as an Arkley. Excuse me now while I go get my hair and nails done and then jump in my $50,000 SUV for a ski trip.
Carson wrote:
"I wonder if Anonymous 3:06 would be reassured by the cited appellate decision if he owned a small business and the richest man in town pushed him and threatened to destroy him?"
the answer is yes. I am very reassured by the cited appellate decision. I happen to realize that in a free democracy a person has to put up with many things that perhaps he doesn't want to and finds offensive.
The point is that speech is only criminal if it threatens physical injury to the person or property of another and that we have to put up with this if we call ourselves a free society. Ok I get it you disagree. That is your choice, but I would suggest that you start reading up on the first amendment and what journalists and supporters like the ACLU have been doing to protect it. What you espouse Carson, makes free speech in a political context dead and gone. Which I find truly offensive to liberal thought.
Heraldo-Larry approached Rob by his own admission, not the other way around. Larry has been attacking Arkley for years, not the other way around. Why go out of your way to talk to a guy you have made out to be a villain. What did he think Arkley was going to do? Hug Larry?
This in no way condones Arkley's action. Two wrongs equaled a bad scene. And what is with the witnesses not coming forward? Must have been many Republicans in the house.
I am sure an investigation will sort some of this out.
"And what is with the witnesses not coming forward?"
It appears that they are.Not to the public,but to the police and investigators.
"not the other way around"
This whole balloon tract debacle is before us because Arkley attacked the public with the help of some council members by taking the public process out of the future of the property.Larry should be on the attack for that,he was,and that is precisely the issue that got him elected.And he won by the largest margin of any candidate in the Nov.election.
RECALL LARRY GLASS.
Mark, mresquan - he BOUGHT the property. He didn't ask the public to pay for it, he isn't asking for public money, he isn't asking for big giant loans for redevelopment type agencies. How is he attacking the public process?
Is Glenn Goldan attacking the public process then? Is Vellutini? Seems to me their projects are pretty popular.
Is it just because he is a rich guy that he deserves your hatred and scorn and all the attacks?
What do you want him to do? Donate the balloon track to the city? They don't want it. Give it to - who?
I have personally seen Arkley confront Kerrigan in public, at a restaurant, and bitch to him about what how he was making poor decisions as a council member. It sounded a heck of a lot like what happened at Avalon, except there was no pushing or verbal threatening. Arkley did though do a "forefinger across the throat" gester, I guess suggesting something about Kerrigan... would you dare to say a death threat? I really don't think so, but boy did it catch many, many people's attention. I'm sure there were others who saw this go down-
Because I personally witnessing this event, I now tend to believe Larry Glass was 100% truthful with his story.
Richard just likes everybody. Rose, Rose, Rose, what are we going to do with you. You just don't get it.
"What do you want him to do? Donate the balloon track to the city?"
Rose,I've always said that their original proposal what,7 years ago now?,was the best one yet.They at least said that they wanted to purchase the property,then hand it over to the city to be used as a park with some light industrial use.Cherie was on council at the time,and the conservative dominated council rejected the proposal.
Arkley is trying to dump a turd on the waterfront. It doesn't even come close to Goldan and Velentini's projects. Not in the same league.
Remember, Glass got elected when no one thought he could... and by a good margin. Everybody knew he had issues with the Marina Center and Home Depot.
Doesn't that say something?
Not to mention he has gained a fair amount of respect in his short term on the council. I would venture to say he is significantly more popular than Kerrigan or for that matter any other council member.
One thing many Arkley supporters like Rose forget is that the demographic of Humboldt (probably most significantly in Eureka) is changing. And that change is not helping those who wish to homogenize Eureka into another Cali burb with all the associated chain stores.
The real question is why Mr. Arkley desires the Balloon Tract in the first place. And it has never been about placing some boutique shop filled with crap made from Chinamen. There is a much bigger struggle going on in Humboldt County and all of you need to be made aware!
eurekans voted down a big box on that same property. doesnt that mean anything? we dont want home depot there
Larry got elected because he was the better candidate - and he has done a good job, and surprised alot of people. That's not the issue here.
And, 9:10, Fred, and others have covered it before - there are many chain stores here already, and have been many more over the years - Woolworths, Sears, Penney's, Montgomery Ward, Pay N Pak, PayLess, RiteAid, Costco, Target, KMart, Mervyn's, Long's and many more. It's nothing new. They come and go. Life goes on. What are you afraid of?
the above mentioned businesses are located on properties that are zoned for them. the balloon track is not zoned for retail.........lets put it up for vote again. eurekans will say no again...
Yeah and my neighbor kicks his dog so I guess I can too.
I have a better idea. Let it sit vacant for all eternity. Just the way it is.
Not the point now is it?
"I have a better idea. Let it sit vacant for all eternity. Just the way it is."
I really hate this mindset- the idea that progress can be defined as anything, even if it is a terrible idea. This was many peoples theory back when they started carving up San Francisco with freeways. They cutoff the whole waterfront to build a double decker freeway, split neighborhoods with offramps and basically tore thru the urban fabric all in the name of PROGRESS.
It is really worth debating the issue when it comes to these controersial projects. Let the publlic have a say. It really affects us all.
What really should be on the Balloon Tract is a railroad museum.
And Kerrigan popular? He doesn't even show up for meetings and he is a snot nosed punk that is only out to further his political career. PS ... I'm not a republican. PPS I'm not a democrat either.
I'm not saying anything is good even if it is a terrible idea, 6:31. What I'm saying is, if I were Arkley, I wouldn't have anything to do with Eureka any more, ever again. I would not give one more dime to a place that not only does not appreciate the gifts given to it, but chooses to hate and attempt to destroy the donor.
Years ago, Harry Adorni left money to the city. he specifically left it so that they would put in a park in Old Town. Bob Imperiale and others drew up and submitted plans for consideration - and if you are familiar with Imperiale Square, you know he could design something nice.
The city did not really want a park. It was seen as a liability, with ongoing maintenance costs. So the gift was not appreciated as given. Because he gave the money after he was gone, he was not able to have a say in how it was spent - and the city, after considering using the windfall to fix up the muni, decided to build the Adorni Center instead.
Development along the bay is inevitable, and not necessarily a bad thing. If it is just Home Depot that is causing all the fuss, that's one thing. But any person proposing a development has to look at a way to make sure it pays for itself, and an anchor is needed. Is there any anchor that would be acceptable - obviously Larry Glass doesn't want a Best Buy or a Good Guys. Or is it just jealousy and class warfare here?
Since it doesn't seem anything is going to appease the anti-Arkley crowd, let it sit. As a monument to the attitude in Humboldt County in the early 2000s.
"And, 9:10, Fred, and others have covered it before - there are many chain stores here already, and have been many more over the years - Woolworths, Sears, Penney's, Montgomery Ward, Pay N Pak, PayLess, RiteAid, Costco, Target, KMart, Mervyn's, Long's and many more. It's nothing new. They come and go. Life goes on. What are you afraid of?"
So an economic statute which always fails should automatically be accepted simply because it's been happening time and time again?Whatever happened to innovation,and the acceptance of new ideas to generate a thriving economy?
Are you for real Mark, whatever happened to good ideas?
1) we don’t have a thriving economy.
2) ideas are irrelevant without the resources to put them into action.
3) are you telling me a cooking school would be more lucrative?
The anti’s in this county squelch all new ideas that they do not personally agree with. Sort of fascist if you ask me.
Ah... love that intelligent conversation.
please elaborate.....
"3) are you telling me a cooking school would be more lucrative?"
I don't think I said that.
Richard, that's slander about Larry.
Again. My blog is most of the time unmonitored. Slander and stuff is going to be deleted when I check it out. C'mon. My kids check this out to see what I am up to.
Of all the candidates who ran last year, both Larry and Ron had good chances to win. One did, one almost did. I wonder how much Larry would have won by if he had faced an aggressive incumbant? Mary Beth didn't walk the ward, didn't really advertise, raised very little money, and had no organization (bodies) behind her. Her campaign was run by an incompetant manager who didn't see the train coming until too late.
Again, that is slanderous. Larry Glass moved to Humboldt County to go into the radio business. The radio thing didn't work out, so he opened a record store. No marijuana record, no criminal background, just an honest SMALL business man.
I do, I do , I do believe in Santa!!!
Uh - anybody ever heard the term "money laundering?"
or as one of our appellate courts so succinctly put it regarding PC 71:
But you have to read the statute itself before you consider the case law. Always start with the statute. First thing they impress on you in law school.
eurekans voted down a big box on that same property. doesnt that mean anything? we dont want home depot there
9:41 PM
So, by your logic then we should continue to vote for Bush?
Look 9:41 EIGHT years is an eternity, politcally speaking...
Besides, a Walmart with a parking lot is hardly the same as the mixed use project currently proposed...
Yo...
Salzmans following is gone,think for yourself!!!
Then read the damn statute Eric and then the case law. On its face 71 doesn't apply.
Rob Arkley needs to go back to his home in Louisiana and leave us Californians alone. They might like that violent psycho right-wing bullshit in the South, but it's only going to doom Arkley's project here. All sorts of people are talking about what a giant asshole Arkley is. Arkley really screwed himself and Home Depot on this one!
rumors ? South Fork Mountain ?
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